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Edited by Sinew#1220 on 6/17/12 3:26 AM (PDT)
If you have purchased a license to use Blizzard’s Diablo III Interactive Game (“Diablo”) and you reside in North America, then any license to use the virtual goods (“Loot”) you purchase and sell through the Auction House is provided to you by Blizzard Entertainment, Inc., who will be your contracting party hereunder.


6B. WINNING AN AUCTION.

Your bid will be the “Winning Bid” for an auction, if
(i) you bid the “Purchase Now Price”; or
(ii) your bid for the Loot is the highest bid when the auction expires.
Once Blizzard notifies someone that he or she won an auction, Blizzard will purchase the license to use the Loot from the seller and then sell a license to use the Loot to the winner of the auction. Additionally, Blizzard may, in its sole discretion, sell the Loot to the winner of the auction, regardless of whether the auction is completed or not.


14. OWNERSHIP OF LOOT.
YOU AGREE THAT:

Blizzard owns or has the right to use all of the Loot, as well as all of the characters and content that appears in Diablo.
You do not own any of the Loot, characters, or other content that appears in Diablo, and that you have no right or title in or to any of the Loot (other than any license to use any Loot granted to you by Blizzard, which may be revoked by Blizzard at any time), Diablo, or your Account.
You are not allowed to sell, trade or somehow transfer Loot, characters, or any other Diablo content outside of Diablo or the Auction House.


http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/d3rmah_tou.html

Will Blizzard sell anything directly through the auction house?

We don't have any plans at this time to post items for sale in the auction house.


http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/com ... auction:auction-faq

GGWP blizzard.

Don't be confused by the verbiage in paragraph 6B. The 'regardless of whether the auction is completed or not' is irrelevant. Sell LOOT, not LICENSE. Blizzard is the only party with claim over loot. Players have claim over licenses.

They phrase it in this way so that they can sell loot generated without a license (ie. loot that didn't drop by playing the game).

They don't have to tell you if they start, and they NEVER said that they wouldn't.

PR'd. Too much double speak and contractual obligations going on in the gaming industry.
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Yet people still have no problem spending real money on something they cant own.
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So... me selling stuff I would have vendored to somebody else in the game is against the rules? What a joke...
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Blizzard can legally sell items on the RMAH. That doesn't mean that they will.
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06/17/2012 01:27 AMPosted by Saris
it proves what, that bits of information on their server belongs to them DERP, that is quite normal in games that have a server


No, it means that:

1) we are all contracted into service upon accepting the rmah ToU
2) the loot is owned by blizzard
3) you are given a contractually binding license to use the loot upon receiving the item under any means
4) Blizzard can sell loot at their own discretion

They phrase it in this way so that they can sell loot generated without a license (ie. loot that didn't drop by playing the game).
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06/17/2012 01:23 AMPosted by Asmonok
Yet people still have no problem spending real money on something they cant own.


I know right, can you believe people rent houses and lease cars? It's insanity!
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06/17/2012 01:30 AMPosted by Corpsie
Blizzard can legally sell items on the RMAH. That doesn't mean that they will.


Why include it then? Why wouldn't they?
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06/17/2012 01:23 AMPosted by Asmonok
Yet people still have no problem spending real money on something they cant own.


We all spent $60+ for the limit privilege to play Diablo III. None of us as players "own" the game. We only paid to be able to play it and Blizzard can revoke that ability pretty much at anytime. So we don't own the game, we don't own the items and we don't own our gold.

Whatever way we look at it we are just renting the colorful pixels.
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06/17/2012 01:37 AMPosted by JTGOOSE
Yet people still have no problem spending real money on something they cant own.


We all spent $60+ for the limit privilege to play Diablo III. None of us as players "own" the game. We only paid to be able to play it and Blizzard can revoke that ability pretty much at anytime. So we don't own the game, we don't own the items and we don't own our gold.

Whatever way we look at it we are just renting the colorful pixels.


Except that with any rental agreement you are entitled to use until the expiry of the agreement or sufficient notice.
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I don't think they need to do that as a company to make money off the RMAH.

But I'm sure there are Blizzard employees who might do it on the side to get money for hookers. I remember back in the day there was a guy called Geoff Frazier that worked for Blizzard who got up to that kind of nonsense in WoW, to the point where he had a Penny Arcade comic made about him. I'm sure people like that are still around Blizzard.
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I don't think they need to do that as a company to make money off the RMAH.

But I'm sure there are Blizzard employees who might do it on the side to get money for hookers. I remember back in the day there was a guy called Geoff Frazier that worked for Blizzard who got up to that kind of nonsense in WoW, to the point where he had a Penny Arcade comic made about him. I'm sure people like that are still around Blizzard.


Do they need to sell items to make money? No.

Will they make way more money selling perfect items on the RMAH? Yes.

Free market entities exist to maximize profit. There is no such thing as "enough" money. You make as much as you can from the smallest amount of inputs.
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Edited by Slimebucket#1717 on 6/17/12 1:55 AM (PDT)
this game is one big scam, and I just quit because It is so clear this game is built to drain dumbasses of cash and give nothing back in return

just liek my ex, god she was such a b!tch

ROFL who don't believe blizzard actvision wouldnt do what ever they could to make top dollar.

HOW are people still suprized that corporate CAPITALISM STYLE COMPANY does EVERYTHING for MAXIMUM PROFITS, and there is NEVER such thing as too much money, or feeling bad for making money from nothing
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remember, if you don't have a cellphone/sms, have they called "blizzard balance"

basically an imaginary number that you can spend for RMAH or blizzard stuff, so dont assume to gain income from this, blizz still owns your 100 dollars worth of items.
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FAIL LAWYER IS FAIL.

What is the hourly rate for your herp derp services, good barrister of justice?
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Edited by Yphex#2446 on 6/17/12 2:01 AM (PDT)
FAIL LAWYER IS FAIL.

What is the hourly rate for your herp derp services, good barrister of justice?


You're just jelly he gets paid for his herp derp and you don't.
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FAIL LAWYER IS FAIL.

What is the hourly rate for your herp derp services, good barrister of justice?


Overpaid and underworked. Probably took a team of lawyers a month to drum this up.
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Edited by Subfocus#1956 on 6/17/12 2:26 AM (PDT)
Conspiracy or Aliens?

Both!?

Aliens.

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remember, if you don't have a cellphone/sms, have they called "blizzard balance"

basically an imaginary number that you can spend for RMAH or blizzard stuff, so dont assume to gain income from this, blizz still owns your 100 dollars worth of items.


It's like the US dollar, HuehuEHuEuhEuhEu!
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06/17/2012 01:35 AMPosted by Gambles
Yet people still have no problem spending real money on something they cant own.


I know right, can you believe people rent houses and lease cars? It's insanity!


LMAO
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You gotta be kitten me!
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